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	<title>Comments on: Lester Bangs vs. Bryan Ferry (YouTube)</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Riegel</title>
		<link>http://rockcritics.com/2007/09/19/lester-bangs-vs-bryan-ferry-youtube/#comment-48</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alfred Soto&#039;s right on target with his mention of Lester&#039;s response to Debbie Harry.  His critique of Bryan Ferry in the video is essentially the same thing he said about Blondie in his book on them: this is attractive music, but it doesn&#039;t mean much of anything.  I was kind of surprised by that take when the Blondie book first came out, as I&#039;d thought all along that that&#039;s what Blondie were about, an attractive surface (&quot;artifice&quot;?) as an end in itself.  I certainly preferred listening to them to Fleetwood Mac, whether their songs &quot;meant&quot; anything deep or not.  

I have a feeling that the interview with Lester was edited just to get that tidy soundbite about Ferry -- not that Lester didn&#039;t mean it, but that it had been only part of a much more complex response to Ferry&#039;s music.  Yet his expression of disappointment with Ferry is classically Bangsian, too -- he went through this same thing with his favorites like Lou Reed, the Stones, Van Morrison, etc., in which he built up tremendous belief in the artists, which they then couldn&#039;t possibly sustain over every album release.  I think in a way Lester was acting out this expectations-vs.-reality drama as a proxy for his own writing, for his frustration that he kept doing rock criticism over and over when he seemed to contain multitudes of novels.  Maybe. 

For what it&#039;s worth, when I first met Lester in the summer of 1974, he played Roxy Music&#039;s *Stranded* album for me, and commented repeatedly how &quot;rich&quot; the music was.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alfred Soto&#8217;s right on target with his mention of Lester&#8217;s response to Debbie Harry.  His critique of Bryan Ferry in the video is essentially the same thing he said about Blondie in his book on them: this is attractive music, but it doesn&#8217;t mean much of anything.  I was kind of surprised by that take when the Blondie book first came out, as I&#8217;d thought all along that that&#8217;s what Blondie were about, an attractive surface (&#8220;artifice&#8221;?) as an end in itself.  I certainly preferred listening to them to Fleetwood Mac, whether their songs &#8220;meant&#8221; anything deep or not.  </p>
<p>I have a feeling that the interview with Lester was edited just to get that tidy soundbite about Ferry &#8212; not that Lester didn&#8217;t mean it, but that it had been only part of a much more complex response to Ferry&#8217;s music.  Yet his expression of disappointment with Ferry is classically Bangsian, too &#8212; he went through this same thing with his favorites like Lou Reed, the Stones, Van Morrison, etc., in which he built up tremendous belief in the artists, which they then couldn&#8217;t possibly sustain over every album release.  I think in a way Lester was acting out this expectations-vs.-reality drama as a proxy for his own writing, for his frustration that he kept doing rock criticism over and over when he seemed to contain multitudes of novels.  Maybe. </p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, when I first met Lester in the summer of 1974, he played Roxy Music&#8217;s *Stranded* album for me, and commented repeatedly how &#8220;rich&#8221; the music was.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred Soto</title>
		<link>http://rockcritics.com/2007/09/19/lester-bangs-vs-bryan-ferry-youtube/#comment-46</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ferry 1, Bangs 0

He&#039;s right about Ferry&#039;s utter blandness if not non-existence as a person and Ferry&#039;s indifference to rock music recorded after, oh, 1970; but we should point out that Bangs accepted his ambivalence towards Ferry as the decade ended. There&#039;s a dead-on passage in that last published miscellany in which he compares Debbie Harry&#039;s approach vs Ferry&#039;s -- Ferry&#039;s manipulation of surfaces still produced extremely moving music, according to Bangs. That he&#039;s dead-wrong about Debbie is a subject for another time.]]></description>
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<p>He&#8217;s right about Ferry&#8217;s utter blandness if not non-existence as a person and Ferry&#8217;s indifference to rock music recorded after, oh, 1970; but we should point out that Bangs accepted his ambivalence towards Ferry as the decade ended. There&#8217;s a dead-on passage in that last published miscellany in which he compares Debbie Harry&#8217;s approach vs Ferry&#8217;s &#8212; Ferry&#8217;s manipulation of surfaces still produced extremely moving music, according to Bangs. That he&#8217;s dead-wrong about Debbie is a subject for another time.</p>
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		<title>By: s woods</title>
		<link>http://rockcritics.com/2007/09/19/lester-bangs-vs-bryan-ferry-youtube/#comment-44</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I gotta say, though I found this clip amusing and fascinating as a kid, it&#039;s not the side of Bangs I cherish so much anymore. His dismissal seems kind of smug, to be honest. (Nor is he helped by the fact that the footage of Roxy doing &quot;Editions of You&quot; is so thrilling.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I gotta say, though I found this clip amusing and fascinating as a kid, it&#8217;s not the side of Bangs I cherish so much anymore. His dismissal seems kind of smug, to be honest. (Nor is he helped by the fact that the footage of Roxy doing &#8220;Editions of You&#8221; is so thrilling.)</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Kogan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lester sure lost that argument, but also his terms of the argument were all wrong (&quot;artifice&quot; vs. &quot;commitment&quot;). I thought my own critique was more penetrating: &quot;Bowie and Ferry are to style as Simon &amp; Garfunkel were to poetry,&quot; which is to say that they were doing a stereotype of &quot;style&quot; and were lying to themselves that their &quot;detachment&quot; gave them an edge. But if one of your main themes is alienation (as it was for Bowie) then shifting your surface is an obvious strategy. (You and I have had this discussion before.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lester sure lost that argument, but also his terms of the argument were all wrong (&#8220;artifice&#8221; vs. &#8220;commitment&#8221;). I thought my own critique was more penetrating: &#8220;Bowie and Ferry are to style as Simon &amp; Garfunkel were to poetry,&#8221; which is to say that they were doing a stereotype of &#8220;style&#8221; and were lying to themselves that their &#8220;detachment&#8221; gave them an edge. But if one of your main themes is alienation (as it was for Bowie) then shifting your surface is an obvious strategy. (You and I have had this discussion before.)</p>
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